Baptist Church Garland Street 7pm Start

Managing success: Can Bury grow without being ruined?

Tim Page
Chairman Bury Society

The Lark Ascending

Andrew Hinchley
Bury Water Meadows Group

Taking a title from a well-known poem and piece of music, this talk will show how many new initiatives are helping to move the Lark, its meadows and riverbanks upwards from the “poor” rating it has had amongst all East Anglian rivers. Alongside the work of the Bury Water Meadows Group, where 40 volunteers have helped out on the river in Bury in recent months, a new community-based “Partnership” for the whole Lark has been established and is now swinging into action.

• Chairman’s Report
• Treasurers Report
• Election of Officers

Any Other Business

Your chance to raise issues that affect you……..
Close Meeting

AGM 21st April 2016 download leaflet

THURSDAY 14^THMay 2015, GARLAND STREET BAPTIST CHURCH

Richard Whalebelly and Rachel Shaw Co-Chair for the Eastgate Ward Community Association welcomed all present to the AGM. Thanking all for coming out in the evening and requesting that all present entered their details onto the signing in sheet to enable the EWCA mailing list to be up to date so that residents can be updated on what is going on and when meetings are taking place.

The EWCA Committee was introduced

Rachel Shaw – Co Chair

Richard Whalebelly – Co Chair

Doug Conran Vice Chair

Keith Fennelow – Treasurer

Julie Webb – Secretary

Colin Payne and Mark Turner Committee Members.

 

Introductions were also made to Councillors, Patsy Warby the Borough Councillor, Frank Warby the Town Councillor and Trevor Beckwith the County Councillor.

 

Frank Warby was our new town councillor but was a familiar name and face. He replaces Peter Thompson who has not had much presence at EWCA meetings.

 

Councillor David Nettleton is also a resident within the Ward and represents Risbygate but is not present this evening.

 

British Sugar, Fine and Country Estate Agents, Pea Porridge Restaurant, Aubrey Nice and Bury Bridal Rooms were all thanked for their support of the EWCA through advertising on the flyer for the AGM.

 

Unfortunately due a recent incident within the town there will be no Police representation at the meeting this evening.

 

EWCA are looking for people to join their Committee and an appeal was made. The EWCA presents a way to meet new people and keep in touch with what is happening in the local community. Bury St Edmunds is a beautiful town and Rachel Shaw stated that he felt privilege to live in the town and this is one of the reasons he became involved. The Committee is looking for people who are not just interested in what the EWCA can do for them but also about what they can do for the EWCA and the wider community.

 

Richard Bowen – The River Lark “Changes and Challenges” (Environment Agency)

CER River Lark

Eastgate Ward-Lark

Richard Bowen advised that Andrew Hincley had provided some “A Tale of Two Rivers” booklets free. Richard Whalebelly said that an error in communication from himself meant that Andrew was unable to attend. The Bury Water Meadows Group is looking for people to get involved and continue to do an invaluable job in protecting the leg of mutton.

 

Following the presentation questions were invited.

 

Frank Warby asked what help Anglian Water were providing. Richard Bowen advised that they had a hosting role It is hoped to form a river trust charily and involve local people.

Mark Turner made reference to the Eastgate Weir problems of 2009 and asked if it was possible to have a re-occurrence. Richard Bowen advised that it was the silt behind the weir that when cooked in the sun caused the really unpleasant smell that impacted on the lives of those living nearby. The work undertaken means that a valve by the car park upstream is opened to shoot the silt out but can only be done in high water conditions. What is needed is a self cleaning system one that is not reliant on people being sent to open a valve. The self maintining route will be expensive. The weir cannot be removed as it is tied to the foundation of local houses. It would be possible to cut deep notches to the tope f the weir to drop the water level but this is also costly. Money would be required from the government and it would be done in partnership with the Environment Agency.

Richard Bowen advised that the costs would be high, ideally a rock ramp retainer would be most effective and would be £50,000..

Frank Warby enquired about European money. Richard Bowen advised that they would expect an up front contribution.

 

Trevor Beckwith advised of a further issue – the damage to Eastgate Bridge. A meeting had been held with a Structural engineer from Suffolk County Council but no money had been forthcoming. The bridge is listed. Trevor Beckwith suggested that work to the bridge be brought into the scheme. Richard Bowen advised that this might make the scheme more attractive.

 

Mark Turner asked if the weir acted as a flood defence. Richard Bowen advised that it was not it was to keep the water back in the Abbey and to keep the foundations of the old abbey wet. The work undertaken will allow a more natural drop further down.

 

HOLDERNESS ROAD

Trevor Beckwith advised that the work will be undertaken by September when the new campaing commences. The work should have been carried out last year but there were issues with Kier the sub contractors for Suffolk County Council.

 

There is a facility on the St Edmundsbury Borough website to identify where there are pot holes within the Borough. Flags will be put on the map to pin point them.

Mary Ann White advised that the road is all broken up and the drain blocked in Pickwick Crescent. She has rung the council to no avail. 2 lamp posts also need to be replaced as the old ones were faulty. The lack of lighting has made the area dangerous as it is not possible to see the concrete bollard in the dark. There is also a double yellow line issue that needs to be addressed as currently access is being restricted for residents due to people parking. Trevor Beckwith asked Mary Ann White to speak with him following the meeting and he will purse the matter.

A trip hazard was also reported outside Hartwell Blinds at the Northgate round about junction.

Andre hincley in april, suggest council take backresp enforce parking

 

PARKING

Trevor Beckwith reported that St Edmundsbury Council are not keen on taking over enforcement of parking based on the fact that it took 10 years for Ipswich Borough Council to break even. There is concern that without parking restrictions a dangerous accident could happen within the Borough. Increasingly due to parking costs cars are dispersing outside of town and either car sharing or walking into town which is compounding the issue.

Residents parking is the only way to stop intruders as currently Police do not have the capacity to enforce double yellow lines.

Mark Turner commented that the recent resident parking scheme in grove rod has worked and St Edmundsbury enforcers visit the area twice a day

A lengthy discussion took place in respect of residents parking on the Barwell Road development in light of the issues that have arisen from non residents parking within the roads on the development during the day.

 

WASTE TRANSFER SITE

Trevor Beckwith advised that following the plan for the Waste Transfer site to be located at Hollow Road Farm he has written to the Bury Free Press about the feasibility of the waste transfer site being near an isolated locations by a train line in order that the waste can be transferred by rail. The County Council has said that their is not capacity on the rail line.

 

TREASURERS REPORT

INCOME £88.40

EXP 13578

£705.00 Bank Balance

£15 10 Petty Cash

An additional £200.00 sponsorship from British Sugar will boost the balance. EWCA is losing money annually. The donation bucket for voluntary contributions is on the side.

ELECTION OF OFFICERS

The Committee were re-elected on block and this was proposed by Tony Gough and seconded by Jo Tregear.

REDVELOPMENT OF BAPTIST CHURCH

The Plans shared at the Open Meeting have now been adjusted architecturally in response to concerns. Approval now needs to be sought from the Baptist Union Co-operation and then planning permission can be sought and the fund raising will begin.

 

ANY OTHER BUSINESS

The issue of dog litter bins was discussed. The bin behind the Abbey on the walk towards Moreton Hall was moved due to access issues for the Council who emply the bins.

 

The Borough Council is moving towards bigger bins due to the smaller ones being vandalised. The Town Council pay for the bins and they are emptied by the Borough Council. The bins will be dual purpose dog poo and other waste.

SCAFFOLDING IN BARWELL ROAD

There is a damaged wall on the Cotton Lane road into the Barwell Road Development. The scaffolding has been erected by Seamans. Enquiries will be made as to ho is responsible for the wall and establish when repairs will be undertaken. Trevor Beckwith advised that he would follow up with the County Council. The road is now single file.

Mark Turner commented that with the growth of houses on the outskirts of town and the need for people to come into town to work or to shop the parking issue will only get worse. The EWCA have the opportunity to do a survey and give some serious thoughts to the proposal of residents parking. Steve Boor has conceded to do a survey so the EWCA need to take action and write to residents and Steve Boor to ensure that the proposal carries weight.

THANK YOU

Patsy Warby thanked the Committee for all their help in the past and recognised how important resident associations are in bring points forward to councillors.

EASTGATE WARD COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION

OPEN MEETING – THURSDAY 6TH NOVEMBER 2014

BAPTIST CHURCH, GARLAND STREET 7:00 P.M.

Welcome

Richard Whalebelly opened the meeting and welcomed all attendees. Introductions were made of the Committee and Local Councillors. He encouraged all attendees to give consideration to joining the Committee and getting involved in their local community. EWCA meets 6 times a year and anyone is welcome to come along to a Committee meeting and then decide if they wish to sit on Committee.

3 guest speakers had been secured for the evening, DCI Kim Warner, John Smithson and Revd Robert Green.

 

Detective Chief Inspector Kim Warner

DCI Kim Warner spoke to the meeting on themes within the crime statistics
• Burglaries in dwellings in the last 6 months – the offending criminals have come from out of county, committed crimes and disappeared so the work has been challenging.
• Wallet and purse thefts – people were encouraged to be vigilant/mindful when out in town with their purse and wallets in their bags
• Immigration – there is not a huge population but there have been problems with crime and the purse and wallet thefts have been linked to Eastern Europeans
• Public Disorder – good working relationships with licensees and premises. Proactive policing and the current economic climate has meant that the town is quieter in the evening.
• Reducing the Strength – there is a current initiative whereby licensees are not selling high % alcohol. Most licensees have signed up to the campaign.
• Safer Neighbourhood Team – attendees were encouraged to contact SNT either via the website, by telephone or through the Police Station. The SNT will focus on local priorities which are established at the Local Priority Setting Meetings on a 3 monthly basis

Questions:

(1) Homlessness within town. DCI Warner said that this was not a huge problem, partner agencies work with individuals collectively in terms of sourcing accommodation

(2) Drugs - it is reported that there is not a huge problem, the current trend indicates that small groups have arrived from London / Liverpool / Peterborough and are befriending vulnerable people, putting pressure on them to take over their house and to then deal drugs from the house. A recent Crack House Closure took place at Vinefields. Covert methods led to the warrant being executed.

The Police rely on intelligence from the general public and victim impact statements also have an impact on cases.

(3) Swan Surgery – 100 hour surgery – it came to light during the process that the police are approached for a view and gave “no comment”, it was questioned why? DCI Warner advised that throughout consultations a raft of views are sought, crime / disorder consultations are made with the local SNT.

(4) Lynda Seldis advised that she had recently been the victim of a crime and that her response office had been kind and caring and she had been pleased with the quality of the service. DCI Warner said that this had been pleasing, they had pushed this service as they had been aware that they could have done better.

(5) Anti-Social Behaviour – the problem had moved from St Johns Church to Looms Lane. DCI Warner suggested that this could be taken forward to the Local Priority Setting Meeting

(6) Lighting – since the switching off of the lights there has not been an increase in crime.

(7) Will there be cuts to Policing = DCI Warner advised that 87% of funding is on staff and £16 million has to be saved over the next 4 years. Inevitably this will impact but through collaborative work with Norfolk the front line is currently preserved within the West.

(8) Walk in burglaries – DCI Warner advised that these had now abated, they had been quick opportunist thefts.

John Smithson, St Edmundsbury Borough Council – Parks Operational Manager

John Smithson informed the meeting of a new initiative on the Ram Meadow Water Meadow which is our local nature reserve. An Ecological survey will be undertaken it is known that there are water voles and bats on the reserve. Patsy Warby has kindly put forward the money to fund this. It is hoped that a circular walk can be created and wild flowers planted.
Volunteers are a valuable support to the Park Ranger Service, giving many hours of labour that contributes to the future of our parks. If anyone was interested in helping to maintain and enhance parks and open spaces for the benefit of wildlife and the enjoyment of all in getting some exercise whilst meeting new people then you could join the conservation volunteer group. More information about these groups is below:
• previous experience is not essential, although an average level of fitness is needed to fully take part in all tasks;
• please wear comfortable weatherproof clothing and stout footwear;
• tools, gloves and light refreshments are provided; and
• training is provided.
• Tasks vary according to the season.
• For more information on volunteering visit: [email protected] or telephone 01284 757088
John Smithson further advised that sheep will graze on No Mans Meadow – the fencing is in place.
Ram Meadow Football Ground site – John Smithson advised that he was aware that there had been a proposal but that the planning process overfilled. Trevor Beckwith advised that it was necessary to still be vigilant as there had not been a no to the road. The site is of ecological value but it is not a designated site as there are not enough species. It is a local wildlife site.
The issue of the lack of bins for picking up rubbish was raised. John Smithson would take the matter forward.

Reverend Robert Green – Garland Street Baptist Church

Saturday 15th November 2014 9:00 a.m. to 12 noon Open Day at Baptist Church to view the proposed plans for the development of the facilities opposite at the the old church hall. The site will be completely redeveloped into a new hall and meeting rooms. The hall is currently used for Boys’ and Girls’ Brigade, carpet bowls, table tennis and youth groups.

Any Other Business

Rachel Shaw thanked all attendees and asked if there was Any Other Business
1)Sue Tamlyn queried what the reason for the roadwork’s in Northgate Street had been. At one point up to 15 parking spaces were taken up because of the works.
Action: Trevor Beckwith will look into the matter
2)An issue of illegal parking at Cannonfields was raised. It is a private property and the issue is causing access problems. The property deeds are not clear. Residents wish to put up signs but sought guidance on the best place for the signs. A suggestion was made to seek the plans from Highways. Residents were also advised to contact the SNT to make them aware of the issue.

3) Sue Tamlyn raised the issue of bollards being placed on parking spaces outside the Athenaeum and who has the authority to do this
Action: Trevor Beckwith to advise

4) Pickwick Crescent – the council will repair the road 21 metres in length and 1 metre wide and then the double yellow lines will be marked. A request was made for the double yellow lines to be extended to the top of the road so that access to the resident’s car park and access to the dentist is not restricted.
Action: Trevor Beckwith to pursue

5) School Hall Lane drain is blocked and has been for some time. There is a similar issue in Eastgate Street.
Action: Trevor Beckwith to pursue

6) Standing up for “God Save the Queen” at the Apex. John Smithson will establish the reasons behind the new signs at the Apex.
Meeting Close
Keith Fennelow, Treasurer advised the meeting that the EWCA funds were depleting, a donation bucket was made available.

Richard Whalebelly closed the meeting and thanked everyone for their attendance.

EASTGATE WARD COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION – ANNUAL GENERAL MEETING

Thursday 22^nd May 2014 7.00 p.m. at Garland Street Baptist Church

Apologies: Sarah Green, Brian and Diane Flack

The Chairman – Tim Page welcomed all to the AGM and introduced the EWCA committee:

• Rachel Shaw our Vice-chair
• Keith Fennelow our Treasurer
• Julie Webb our Secretary
• Richard Whalebelly our Web master
• Colin Payne
• Doug Conran

He went on to introduce our councillors:

• Trevor Beckwith - County
• Patsy Warby – Borough
• Apologies had been received from Peter Thompson – town

We also have Cllr David Nettleton who represents Risbygate and is a local resident with us.

CSOs Helen Morgan and Amanda Dodd did not attend.

 

Bringing the Magna Carta to Bury St Edmunds – Alan Baxter

The first item on the agenda - Bringing the Magna Carta to Bury St Edmunds. An original copy of the Lincoln Magna Carta is currently on display in the Cathedral Treasury. This priceless document contains the origins in law of many of the freedoms we enjoy today such as the right to a trial by a jury of our peers. Getting the Magna Carta to Bury St Edmunds was a joint undertaking between the Bury Society, the Borough Council and the Cathedral. Alan Baxter is one of three key people responsible for this huge logistical task.

 

Alan Baxter gave a presentation. He encouraged people to attend the FREE exhibition. All slots have been booked in advance. However up to 4 people fail to attend for their slot so it is worth going along to the cathedral on the hour and the half hour to see if a slot is available.

Information is available on the website –www.burymagnacarta.org There is also information available about the Magna Carta 800^th Anniversay. www.magnacarta800th.com.

There is a facebook page – Bury Magna Carta 800 and a twitter link - @BuryMC800

Graffiti

There has been a town-wide campaign to clear up litter and graffiti in response to the increased incidence of this sort of anti-social behaviour.

In advance of this meeting Tim Page asked Mark Cordell of Our Bury St Edmunds (a driving force behind this campaign) to attend, but apparently we are outside of his area of interest.

Tim Page also asked Mark Walsh Head of Waste Management and Property Services at West Suffolk to send a representative. But no-one was available.

Helen Lindfield our Families and Communities Officer at West Suffolk is also unable to attend due to a bad back.

So it would appear we are left to our own resources this evening.

Tim Page advised that it was his understanding that the response to any graffiti should depend on where it is and who owns the property. It is the responsibility of the property owner to remove the graffiti. So if the property is council owned then Mark Walsh and his team at West Suffolk are the people to contact. If the property is a town centre commercial property the Mark Cordell of Our Bury St Edmunds can bring pressure on the owners and has funds available.

The problem we have in Eastgate Ward is that many of the properties affected are buy-2-lets and the owners are not inclined to spend the money to remove the graffiti. An example of this is the graffiti in Cadney Lane.

David Nettleton has taken an interest in this subject he advised that Richard Poole from Aubyn Davies also has a business removing graffiti and David had shadowed him at work removing graffiti and there is no damage to the wall following treatment. Previously St Edmundsbury have said that the removal of graffiti damages buildings and this is why they seek consent from homeowners. The current Borough Council Policy states that both racial and sexually explicit material used in graffiti will be removed. The offending graffiti in Cadney Lane does not meet this criteria. Contact is being made with the current owner to seek a way forward with removing the graffiti.

Concerned residents were advised to contact: [email protected]

Trevor Beckwith advised that Abdul Karim is now back working with the Council. This was felt to be positive.

Chairman’s Report

It has been a year where some matters of interest to EWCA have been resolved whilst many more continue to rumble on:

First, the Swan Surgery pharmacy application was finally granted after they upset many local residents, attacked the EWCA for not supporting them and nearly cost themselves and council tax payers a fortune through an planning inspector’s enquiry.

The Vision 2031 local plan consultation continues to be a roller-coaster for Eastgate Ward residents. The two areas of interest to EWCA are the Leg of Mutton and Ram Meadow.

On Ram Meadow it is proposed that a new access road will run from Etna Road to the new car park where the football stadium currently is. (The football stadium is planned to move to Moreton Hall….). Many Barwell Road and Cotton Lane residents fear that this will be changed to a relief road through to Eastgate Street and result in significantly more traffic than currently planned. Fears about the affect on wildlife and the River Lark floodplain have also been raised. EWCA has a dilemma this point because, whilst it would adversely effect some residents (Barwell Road and Cotton Lane), it would benefit others on Mustow and Northgate Street. However our Richard Whalebelly from Barwell Road has been an active campaigner on this issue.

The Leg of Mutton issue has been widely covered the local press and at last years AGM when a member of the Bury Water Meadows group gave a talk. Significant development of formal leisure facilities and supporting buildings such as a hotel are proposed. Members of the EWCA committee have been active on the Bury Water Meadows Group which is fighting to save this land as a green lung for the town.

Vision 2031 is currently being examined by a planning inspector. This spring we heard that the planning inspector has proposed modifications which would remove both these proposals and keep the Ram Meadow as a flood plain and the Leg of Mutton preserved for informal recreation only. The inspector is consulting on its modifications (a consultation on a consultation)! The consultation is online on the West Suffolk planning web site and is open until 30^th May. The EWCA has responded to this consultation in support of the modifications proposed by the planning inspector and has emailed local residents about this issue.

However, we have since heard that the Council will object to the modifications, so it is now more important for local residents to make their views known.

Bury Water Meadows Group

Andrew Hinchcliffe from the Bury Water Meadows Group attended the meeting and provided an update. He has written to David Ruffley in respect of noise protection on the A14 the current scheme is for Motorways and does not extend to the A14. A bid has also been made to the Heritage Lottery Fund. The bid is called the “Lark Valley Project” and includes the area of the Leg of Mutton and Ram Meadow. A site visit has been arranged with the Environment Agency. It is proposed to develop a leaflet about the walks available on the sites of Ram Meadow and the Leg of Mutton.

Ram Meadow Relief Road

Trevor Beckwith updated the meeting in respect of the planned relief road that is proposed to be built across the flood plain at Ram Meadow and the fact that the Council have asked for clarification on the meaning of “no road” from the Inspectors who objected to the plans. Richard Whalebelly stated that even if the proposed road is not built the building will still go ahead on Ram Meadow on the site of the football ground and there will still be car parking. David Nettleton commented that funding the road would entail about six million pounds and he was doubtful developers would be able to fund this.

Travellers

In November our open meeting covered the thorny subject of anti-social behaviour from travellers camped around the ward, especially on Ram Meadow car park. I thought the talk given by Peter Daniel the Roma, Gypsy and Traveller co-ordinator for Norfolk and Suffolk was most useful (and it was a pity no councillors were present to hear it). Since then this problem has been moved on and the family in question was provided with accommodation on Barton Road. I read with interest that this issue is close to a permanent solution.

Trevor Beckwith said that a formal complaint had been put forward by Sarah Brought the Councillor for Gt Barton. Concrete bollards that should have been installed when the travellers departed were not put in place. A pile of topsoil was dumped at the site. The travellers were therefore able to gain access. The travellers have now been issued with a tolerated provision and will be on site for a minimum of 16 weeks.

Beckwith Crossing

The Beckwith crossing on Eastgate St has been repaired following last year’s crash damage. But one resident recently email me to say the line need repainting – a sure sign of success!

Yellow Lines

Cotton Lane and Barwell finally have double yellow lines and a recent campaign by the police has reduced the incidence of illegal parking. However, the traffic around Drive Vauxhall remains an issue.

Empty House

No 10 Well Street (which is social housing) has been empty for over a year. I know our ex-vice chair Lynda Seldis is battling Co-op Homes with the help of Cllr Patsy Warby. The Chair stated that it is a scandal that this house remains un-used when there is such a long waiting list for housing in the borough. Cllr Patsy Warby concurred with Tim Page and thought that his idea of writing to the Bury Free Press would raise the profile of the issue.

Hollow Road

Traffics lights and the railway bridge on Hollow Road continue be a problem. Our Colin Payne is driving this issue with Trevor Beckwith and SCC. I understand the most recent issue is the sequencing of the lights? Colin Payne advised that the sequencing had now been re-synchronised and the issue has improved. Trevor Beckwith advised that he has once again raised the issue of pedestrians crossing the bridge with Graham Newman.

Thank You’s

Tim Page proceeded to made thanks given that this was his last role as EWCA Chairman:

• First the committee for all their help in the last year, especially:
  • Keith our treasurer who keeps me in line and prompts me when stuff needs doing.
  • Julie our able secretary.
  • Richard who keeps the technology going
  • Colin who keeps everyone up to date with all things Hollow Road.
  • Rachel who has recently stepped up to be vice-chair.
  • Doug who has recently joined the committee.
  • Whilst she is not a committee member I would like to thanks Hazel Jackman for all her help delivering leaflets both in November and this May.
• I would like to record our thanks to Peter Hardman, Diane Everitt and Linda Seldis who stepped down in the last year. Special thanks must go to our ex-vice chair Linda who has been our representative with the Bury Water Meadows Group.
• I thank all our councillors for their continued support and wisdom in helping us make Eastgate Ward a better place to live.
• Last I’d like to thank you all for turning up to support us at our open meeting. Without the residents there would be no EWCA.

Finally, as I said at last year’s AGM, I will stand down as Chair and from the Committee at the end of this meeting. It has been a privilege to serve Eastward ward in this capacity. Through the EWCA I have met many lovely and interesting people. I’ve learned a lot about how the town works (and also how to keep committee meetings short)! I wish whoever succeeds me in the role all the best.

Treasurer’s Report - Keith Fennelow gave details of the financial records.

Income has reduced from last year.

EWCA has £755.00

Petty Cash £46.00

Totalling: £802.00 last year the balance was £983.00

Costs:

£176.00 for printing

£125.00 for room bookings

£20.00 for the website

Income:

£70.00 adverts

£70.00 donations.

Election of officers

David Nettleton proposed all six committee members and this was seconded by Mark Turner.

Tim Page appealed for more Committee members.

A.O.B.

• Bury in bloom – golden theme. Look out for the awards for effort in July ish
• Rachel Shaw – Vice Chair gave a vote of thanks to Tim Page for the work that he had carried out during his time as EWCA Chair. Mark Turner seconded this and added that prior to his time as Chair Tim also had been a valued EWCA Committee member.

NOTES OF THE EASTGATE WARD COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION OPEN MEETING, THURSDAY 7^TH NOVEMBER 2013, BAPTIST CHURCH, BURY ST EDMUNDS

Apologies Received: David Nettleton, Patsy Warby, Susan Carling, Sarah Green, Mark Turner, Trevor Beckwith, Diane Everitt, David Cowley, Rob and Lorraine King, Jenny & TonyGoff

 

Tim Page (Chairman) opened the meeting he introduced the Committee and PCSO Helen Morgan. Thanks were passed to Keith Fennelow for the production of the Flyers for the meeting.

 

Speaker – Peter Daniel, Gypsy Roma & Traveller Service Co-ordinator

Peter Daniel advised that Norfolk and Suffolk work as a partnership. Procedures are in place to deal with unauthorised encampments and through presenting the facts it was hoped that residents would have a better understanding of processes. This joined up approach was developed in 2007.

It is usual that the Police are the first point of contact and the Police work closely with the Gypsy Roma & Traveller Service Co-ordinators.

An initial visit is made to the encampment and is an impact assessment. The impact on the settled community, environmental and economic impact and community facts are all taken into consideration alongside issues from the point of view of the travellers. Both points of view are looked at.

The Protocol for Unauthorised Encampments then requires for a Case Conference to be convened led by the County Council inviting Police, Education, Health, councillors. This meeting ensures that the Local Authority fulfil their duty of care. A welfare assessment is undertaken which is robust. The group profile and history is also researched through the database that is held. Waste and sanitation is also investigated. Decisions are made without elected members present so there is no bias towards decisions made so the meetings are held in 2 parts. Sometimes decisions are made to tolerate encampments other times the move is made to evict. There is currently only one authorised site in Suffolk at West Meadows in Ipswich and this site is full. Decisions are made taking into account the Human Rights Act.

There is no short stay provision in Suffolk but there are 3 sites in Norfolk. When encampments turn up they are directed to these sites. The sites have facilities are hard standing and rent is charged. The sites are on the A11, in Fakenham and in Cromers. They are managed by the Local Authority with an onsite warden. They are not allowed to trade from the site. The charge is between £20 and £35.00 ..When vacant the site is locked

Work is being undertaken to identify land within Suffolk, currently to no avail.

 

Question -What if an encampment is on private land?

Answer: No duty of care, landowner can call in balliffs and travellers be off sight in 12 hours. Gypsy Roma & Traveller Service Co-ordinators can assist land owners with a common law notice.

 

Question: There is a constant presence in Bury St Edmunds and the same group are moving sites around town It is understood they are Irish Travellers as opposed to English. Why are they not going to Ipswich?

Answer: There is no room presently. The travellers are looking to settle in Bury St Edmunds, they like the town and want to buy a piece of land.

 

It was noted that these travellers are not helping themselves. The last encampment at Ram Meadow a party was held which went on until the early hours of the morning (4.00 a.m.), dogs were barking, music was played. Residents were in a position where they had word the next day. Despite calls being made to the Police, the Police were observed to attend but to merely drive by the encampment and then drive off without exiting their vehicle.

Action: The date will be established and information passed to PCSO Helen Morgan who will look into this incident and report back to Tim Page

Also of note, which angers and disgusts residents, is the level of mess that is left behind when the encampment moves on. It was thought that the Council would take action sooner during events taking place in town and residents found this frustrating. Residents also have worries about children needing to go to school, attend health appointments what about their requirements?

Peter Daniel said that he agreed with what had been said but has to act with the remit of the Human Rights Act, he understood that this is sometimes balanced in the wrong way but as Liaison officers they have to undertake their role. Partying until early hours could also be reported as anti social behaviour, particularly if loud music is involved.

Tim Page sought clarity on who residents should contact if an encampment arrives. Peter Daniel confirmed that the Police should be first, they ensure law and order and would need to know if there is criminal activity. A call could also be made to the Lead Agency and the councillor who acts on their behalf so if the encampment was at Ram Meadow this would be Patsy Warby.

 

It was noted that there was in fact a purpose built site in Bury St Edmunds for the travellers but they smashed it up and set fire to it. This had been council money, the site was derelict for years but the Crime Investigation Centre has now been built on the site.

 

Peter Daniel advised that sites are currently being sourced with the assistance of the Council, a couple have been identified.

 

It was reported to the meeting that the gypsies at the Ram Meadow encampment had abandoned puppies and left faeces and rubbish it is stories like this that make people change their views about travellers. It is a small community and stories soon circulate.

Peter Daniel gave some background to the current travellers and was surprised by their behaviour as they were a responsible family and felt that the main hub of the family would not cause trouble but acknowledged that the encampment is joined by other family members so does change size. Residents said that this was not their experience of the family, particularly given the recent party at which a physical punch up was also observed.

It was suggested by one resident that while he had empathy with the travellers he to had a motor home and travelled the country and felt that if they were not responsible and did not comply they get moved on. The Local Authority are regarded as a soft touch and whilst well meaning they appear to be manipulated. If they do not comply with the general Law they do not get to stay and action will have to be taken by the Court of Human Rights in Brussells. It was said that if authorities were as robust in their consideration of the general public as they are the rights of travellers then possibly not have the antipathy that is evidenced, this state has been reached because of a “woolly attitude” of people of responsibility in society.

It was queried about the travellers trading from encampments. Peter Daniel confirmed that they cannot trade from short stay sites but when the encamp in Bury these are not official sites. Vulnerable, gullible members of the town are employing the travellers.

PCSO Helen Morgan advised that as soon as they are advised of an encampment they log the move and an officer is sent to the site to engage with the family and establish how long they plan to stay.

It was noted that local residents have lost faith in the actions of the Police as recent calls to the Police when the alarm at the Bury Town Footbal club has gone off in the middle of the night, when speaking to the operator if nobody suspicious is seen no action is taken, despite the fact that the club ha suffered break ins.

PCSO Helen Morgan advised she was unable to comment but would take the information back to the station. She was aware from personal experience that cursory checks are made to ensure the building is secure when alarms sound but faulty alarms are not supported as the fault is due to poor maintenance.

PCSO Helen Morgan reported that there has been an increase in catalytic converter thefts in town.

Tim Page passed on his condolences following the death of Helen’s colleague. Helen Morgan advised that Dawn Rowan would not be joining the Team. The number of PCSO’s had increased to 4 and there are also 3 Police Constables within the Town team.

A new Sergeant has also been sanctioned as the area is considered to be too big for one Sergeant to cover.

 

It was noted from the floor, not from the EWCA Committee that councillors were missing from the Open Meeting.

Tim Page gave thanks to the Committee and to Hazel Jackaman from Hazelwood Dance who had stepped up to assist in delivering the leaflets. Dave Cowley, 103 Northgate Street passed on his thanks via Tim Page for getting Mr Williams to sort out his property, it was a finally sorted and a new tenant in situ.

The yellow line saga in Barwell Road continues. The consultation was held in Spring, residents made suggestions for the position of the lines and details were finalised. The problem now is the council combining jobs across the town. The sticking point is that there is controversy in other part of town where their yellow lines should go. Abdul Karim has been most helpful on this issue.

Beckwith Crossing was unfortunately the victim of a motor accident resulting in the beacon requiring replacing. Unfortunately it would appear beacons are a rare commodity, traffic lights more common. Alternative LED lights were looking into and Trevor Beckwith agreed to fund but this suggestion was turned down by Suffolk County Council so a replacement beacon is awaited. The contract is outsourced so it just a case of waiting. The site should be closed off but due to the width of the pavement tis is not possible on the Abbey Gardens site. The situation is therefore very dangerous, an accident waiting to happen.

Doug Conran gave an update on the Swan Surgery. The pharmacy is now committed to opening 100 hours a week and changes have been made to the car parking areas (which has resulted in more cars being parked in Barwell Road).

Parking in Cotton Lane – Drive Vauxhall

Concern was expressed about the use of parking bays and loading bays in front of Drive Vauxhall and vehicles near the bay by the toilets on the entry to Ram Meadow Car park. This issue has been ongoing for a number of years, the bays were made in consultation with the Police and Drive Vauxhall. It was suggested to the concerned resident that she make contact directly with Drive Vauxhall and the Manager – Sarah Ferrari.

Any Other Business

It was thought that the Police should be invited to speak at the AGM in May

Tim Page confirmed that he will stand down as Chairman, Lynda Seldis will stand down as Vice Chair at the AGM in May so new members need to be sought. It was hoped that Doug Conran will be joining the Committe. Meetings are held 4 times a year and usually last for 1 to 1.5 hours, a leaflet drop is action twice yearly and there is an AGM and an Open Meeting. Any interested parties to contact Tim Page.

A funding bucket was made available and all donations gratefully received.

Notes of the Eastgate Ward Community Association AGM held Thursday 22^nd May 2013

Apologies:- Teresa Peck, 51 Barwell Road, Doug and Chris Conran, Brian and Diana Flack, Peter Thompson

Welcome

Tim Page, Chairman welcomed all present to the AGM and introduced Councillors present - David Nettleton (present as Eastgate Ward Resident) Trevor Beckwith and Patsy Warby

Stephen Mills, Bury Water Meadows Group

Stephen Mills advised that the aim of the group is to preserve the area known locally as “leg of mutton”. The area formed part of the St Edmundsbury Vision 2031 proposals. The proposal being to develop a substantial part of this land for a hotel with associated parking and traffic management and lighting features.

 

Due to the objects to the proposal the Bury Water Meadows Group was formed to lobby the Borough Council. The group comprises of representatives from the Eastgate Ward Community Association, Churchgate Ward, Southgate Ward major local associations and groups and members of Suffolk Wildlife Trust.

A website has been created www.bury-watermeadowsgroup.com and there is also an email address [email protected].

The deliberate aims of the group are to maintain the green space with no mans meadow in the core of Bury St Edmunds, to keep the views from Rougham into the centre of Bury to ensure they are unspoilt for future generations. The land has a chequered history of planning applications and these have consistently been turned down by the Planning Committee. It is hoped that as a result of the lobbying within the revised draft of Vision 2031 the hotel has been dropped and wording on what is allowed on site will have been tightened up.

The main aim of the group is to allow no development and for the space to be maintained as green open space. Stephen Mills (SM) encouraged all present to visit the website and to present their views and support.

Questions – Richard Whalebelly asked if there was definitely not going to be a hotel. SM advised that the wording “hotel” had been removed but it had been left open with the wording “limited leisure associated development”.

Julia Rackham queried if any parties had submitted an application for a leisure facility. SM advised that he was not aware but it was difficult to guess what was behind the change in wording.

SM advised that past experience dictates that once development is allowed it opens doors and further applications are received. He therefore again urged people to support the group via the website.

Sue Tamyln advised that the move of King Edward VI School to the site had not been met favourably.

Tim Page advised that it may be possible to tap into the work of the group if need be should similar decisions be taken in respect of Ram Meadow. He suggested that people remain vigilant and careful in order that parcels of land Tim may be preserved within the town.

Tim Page thanked SM for his presentation

 

Introductions

Tim Page introduced the Committee members present to the meeting.

Police Information

PCSO Helen Morgan advised of ongoing problems in town, shoplifting, drinking and people sleeping rough within the town centre. Parking issues remain ongoing. PCSO’s do the best they can given their resources. PSCO Morgan advised of the recent sad loss of a colleague, this death had shaken the station and community, she had been affectionately known as Miss Marple and worked closely with residents in the Vinefields and Havebury.

A question was raised in respect of people sleeping rough. PCSO Morgan advised that there is no night shelter in Bury St Edmunds the nearest one is Jimmys in Cambridge. Sometimes they want to sleep rough in Bury and then the option is YMCA and Tayfen Project.

Pasty Warby advised that unless the person sleeping rough presents as homeless to the Borough then the Borough cant force them to be dealt with. When they present at the Borough they have to have a tie to the Borough or a relationship in the Borough and these are the criteria that are ot be met. Rachel Shaw advised that the unintentionally homeless can also present to St Edmundsbury.

Sue Tamlyn tspoke about the freezing cold weather earlier in the year and thought it deplorable that people are having to sleep outside when it is extremely wet and freezing, this was particularly so during the xmas period. PC Morgan said that the homeless do go to at Tayfen House and she was aware that there is cold weather provision. She further advised that work is currently being undertaken on the ground floor at Tayfen House to set it up as temporary accommodation.

Sue Herriott, Headteacher, Guildhall Feoffment spoke to the meeting in respect of the Bury Schools Partnership and the transition from 3 tier to 2 tier in Bury St Edmunds.

Sue Herriott advised that the schools in town work strongly as a pyramid, prompted by the Schools Organisation (SOR) review it was decided to work strongly across school to provide support to the various age ranges within town.

The SOR within Suffolk was concerned with the standards of education generally and the achievement of children in Suffolk did not compare well with those children in similar county council areas with comparable social economic situations. The SOR stated its intention that the whole of Suffolk would become a 2 tier system, the Western area is unique in the country being 3 tier.

Various areas within Suffolk have already changed. The changes in Bury were delayed due to the change in government and the lack of financial support for capitol building projects. The move to a 2 tier system means that the area middle school will close. A public consultation will take place in the Autumn and the results of this will be known the following Easter. There will be a legal process that is followed before the change to 2 tier.

Prompted by his local schools are working in partnership, there is a lot of expertise and it was felt that the partnership could focus on attainment and providing the best educations for pupils in town. The partnership could also support parents worried about their children. The most worried are those in the midst of transition as this is perceived as turbulent.

The plan is that primary schools will remain open and middle schools will close. A new upper school, for children aged 11 – 16/18 will be build on Moreton Hall community. A positive of this is that this will aid the traffic coming into town. Various agencies have expressed an interest in funding the school as an academy.

Tim asked if St James is likely to become the Upper School. Sue Herriott advised that the plan is for a new school to be built on Moreton Hall and she was not aware of any changes to this. A discussion took place with regard to what could happen to St James school site.

Sue Herriott spoke about current planned admissions and how surveyors assess for children numbers. It has been said that a new building will be erected at the school where the current kitchen is, this will complement the school. The building is planned after the public consultation.

Sue Herriot advised that she is aware that parents are fearful. Headteachers are supporting the move to 2 tier and that the focus needed to be on literacy and nurmeracy. The partnership cam about in order that headteachers could support each other and focus on the needs of the children and the raising of their attainment. There are plans for professional development days across the schools. The focus will be on writing. Specialist events for children working across age ranges, with younger and older children working together The aim being to reassure parents. Governors are supporting the drive forward and presenting as positive to the people of Bury St Edmunds.

Patsy Warby advised that Hardwick and King Edward are working close together. She felt that this would make transition easier.

The Academies will work separately to the Partnership schools and have there own professional development events. The Academies will remain a 3 tier system.

Tim Page commented that their will be two systems of schooling within Bury St Edmunds.

River lark update

Tim Page updated the meeting in respect of the problems with the River Lark. Two issues contribute to the low flow of water through the town. The bread fed to the ducks in the Abbey Gardens if not eaten falls to the bed of the river. It is known that bread is not good for ducks so education boards are being erected to explain why not to feed them bread.

To increase the flow the most important thing to do is to alter the flow. Studies have been undertaken about altering the weir but these are not being pursued due to financial const. Most important thing to alter flow, studies about altering weir. Dr Brighty has prioritised funding for this project but will be under review late in 2014.

Swan surgery update

Doug Conran had been unable to attend the meeting but had provided an update that was read out by the Chairman.

Following the changes in rules regarding the pharmacy licences Swan Surgery took advantage of this ruling and in preparation for a pharmacy in 2009 applied for Local Planning permission. The LPA failed to notify local residents or carry out any proper checks and thus the application was approved under delegated powers – i.e. it did not go to councillors. The permission was valid for 3 years, however the surgery was slow in carrying out the necessary building works and so in 2012 had to reapply. This time residents were notified and objects were made based around 3 areas:-

(1) The late hours of opening until 11.00 p.m at weekends.

(2) The threat to personal safety from the likely increase in drug users and dealers

(3) Lack of parking for customers of the pharmacy.

As a result of these objections the application was “called in” to be discussed by the Planning Development Committee at their meeting on the 6^th December 2012. It was thrown out on the grounds of lack of parking and adverse affect on the local community. The committee also gave the LP a severe rap over the knuckles for very shoddy work in producing their report.. The Pharmacy then made an application for a Lawful Development Certificate to confirm that the pharmacy was ancillary to the surgery and not requiring planning permission. Lawful Development Certificates are not affected by any planning issues so the surgery were hoping to circumvent the earlier planning refusal.

For various reasons this was not approved within stipulated time limits and so the surgery has now lodged appeals against both the refusal of the 2012 planning application and also the non determination of the Lawful Development Certificate. These appeals are due to be considered on the 23^rd June 2013.

In the meantime the surgery has had to open the pharmacy, having had no permission to do so or they would have lost their licence.

Trevor Beckwith commented on the amount or work and research undertaken and felt that the group deserved to get a good outcome. David Nettleton commented that he had not seen any problems since the extended hours.

Margaret Chortley advised that she had also undertaken a lot of research. Methadone has a street value and users are known to keep the administered drugs under their tongue and then selling them on. Her research had indicated that neighbourhoods are destroyed with the potential to become a red light district. The Dance Studio had experienced 2 incidents. It is still early days in respect of the increased parking. A Hearing is scheduled for 25^th June 2013 the format of which is unknown. Decisions need to be made in respect of nominating representatives.

Rachel Shaw advised that parking had actually increased in Northgate Street anyway which was due to families have 2 or 3 cars.

Chairman’s Report

Tim Page thanked the committe. Funding wise Eastgate Ward had been left a legacy from Frank Warby, these are the only resources until a further grant is issued. The Committee had discussed the matter but did not want to go down the route of charging members an annual fee. A bucket would be made available at the end of the meeting for people to make donations. A small amount of money is raised through advertising in meeting leaflets.

• Gauze put up under A14 in Eastgate Street to prevent pigeons roosting. However the pigeons appear to be “spike proof”.
• Leg of Mutton – Watermeadows Group. Linda is a representative on the group
• Gas Works – Ram Meadow. These have now been replaced. The area is to be reseeded as soon as possible.
• Formal vote of thanks to Trevor Beckwith for the Pelican Crossing on Mustow Street
• Planters in Well Street funded by Trevor Beckwith Locality Grant and planned by the Growing Well Group. Patsy Warby said a big well done to the Well Street Crew who had worked hard and it was a good sign of the community working together.
• Issues in Barwell Road surrounding the adoption of the development. The community space has been conveyed and adopted by St Edmundsbury Borough Council so is under the responsibility of Damian Parker. The strip of land at the back of the estate has been conveyed to the house owners. The pond is still to be passed over to Anglian Water. The roads and pavements have been officially adopted by Suffolk County Council. The yellow lines have still to be implemented.

  Abdul Karim from St Edmundsbury Borough Council advised that the Council were obliged to remove them for the following reasons. As mentioned above, the signs are illegal and it discredits any signs that are legal, As highway authority, we have not installed them, even though they look official, they are attached to street furniture, we had enquiries as to how permits could be purchased. If these are not removed, it may give the wrong or conflicting message to others. These signs are in contravention of sections 132 and 143 of the Highways Act 1980. Removing the signs is the only way to clarify any misunderstanding, reiterate that the highway authority cannot allow individuals or any other fraternity to regulate the highway and finally, that illegal signs will not be tolerated.

 

There are issues with the road in Pickwick Crescent and ownership to be advised.

Treasurers Report

• Keith Fennelow advised that EWCA is no longer in receipt of a grant.
• Balance now is £983.00 which is £240.00 less than last year.
• Outgoings have been £326.00 with income at £105.00 outgoings

The grant is £120 but is not available until funds fall to £500. Julia Rackham suggested writing to local business for donations. Next time flyer out add donations would be welcome and deliver to all Eastern way factory unit .

Election of Officers

The Chairperson, Vice Chair, Treasurer, Secretary and Committee all agreed to stand again. David Nettleton motioned for an en-block reinstatement and Sue Tamlyn seconded this. Tim Page advised that the Committee were always looking for new members. Tim Page further advised that due to his work commitments this would be the last year for him as Chairperson.

Any other business

• Ram Meadow – not economically viable to build 135 houses due to the need for flood defence and a road to be built from A14.
• There is a rumour Drive Vauxhall want to purchase the old bus depot It was thought that if Drive see this as a good commercial option it could be possible.
• John Preston advised that rainwater gulleys are blocked in Northgate Street. Details to be sent to Trevor Beckwith

APOLOGIES

Rachel Shaw, Wendy Hooton, Dianne Everitt, Peter Hardman

WELCOME

Tim Page welcomed all to the Open Meeting. He thanked his Committee for all their hard work during his first six months and introduced key people in the room Trevor Beckwith, David Nettleton, Patsy Warby. Unfortunately the new town councillor Peter Thompson was not in attendance.

GUEST SPEAKER – JULIA RACKOWE – BURY IN BLOOM

Julia Rackowe gave a presentation to the meeting – summarised as follows:-

Bury in Bloom was founded in 1986, the founder Sue Tamlyn was present in the room, she was the original instigator following a trip to Norwich. A Committee was formed led by Mandy Balaam with Lucy Clibbon designing the advertisements. Originally the focus was on hanging baskets and there were local competitions. Now Bury in Bloom reflects the changing nation and in the last 10 years the emphasis has been on environmental and on inclusion in the community. Bury in Bloom is an sub-committee of the Bury Society which works in partnership with St Edmundsbury Borough Council. The staff at St Edmundsbury BC (Damian Parker and Caroline Brown) offer their expertise and have provided a Service Level Agreement.

Bury in Bloom has new projects in town, the central reservation on parkway being one. The Risbygate roundabout was funded through Asda, Locality budgets and other funding sources and a sculpture of St Edmund takes centre stage. Westgate Gardens are also another example of Bury in Bloom work. Other major partners are Silver Spoon, Bid4Bury and the Town Council are also significant funders. Bury in Bloom use their money to commission work through St Edmundsbury including traffic management and a degree of maintenance.

Bury in Bloom have achieved; finals of Bury in Bloom 8 times, winning x 3; winners of World in Bloom – taking in a ceremony in Tokyo; Anglia in Bloom x 10 times; 4 Gold Awards including this year

Bury in Bloom makes lots of contact with community groups. On judging day one of the most important concerns is route planning – people they meet and talk to, things they see. This year judges were taken to St Olaves Garden which has been dedicated to Senior Aircraftman Luke Southgate. The children from Howard Primary School maintain the garden. Another place to go to is Cotton lane allotments and West Suffolk College Springboard garden for young adults with learning disabilities. Guildhall Feoffment is also another popular destination. This year Eastgate Ward produced very good marks. Judges were blown away by the Abbey Gardens and were also able to meet with the Friends of Abbey Gardens.

A major plus this year had been Well Street here a group of had formed a neighbourhood group called “Growing Well”. The Group launched in January 2012. The group have supported the two Charities in the street, providing planters, a litter pick and cleared snow. Julia Rackowe had put them in touch with Wood N Stuff, who had sourced a window box for every single house on left hand side of street where there were no front gardens; this had proved a master stroke. The group make and talk movingly about having made friends, talking to people they only nodded to before, helped people help other, plant swops.

Julia considered that “It’s your neighbourhood” was the future of Bury in Bloom and she hoped to roll out ethos so that grotty areas could be cleaned up using people power. The scheme was set up in 2005 by RHS Britain in Bloom, it is interdependent.

At the bottom of Well Street there is a “build out” pavement and the group are currently sourcing planters to stand on the area to stop cars parking. David Nettleton considered this to be a good idea and felt that a similar procedure in Garland Street would be beneficial at the build out in Garland Streets.

Tim thanked Julia for all her hard work over the last 9 years, her departure would be a sad loss. Bury Society were looking for a new co-ordinator.

Swan Surgery Planning Application

Swan Surgery has submitted a Planning Application to open a 100 hour surgery, they currently already have a dispensary on site.

EWCA do not currently have an official position on this application.

One of conditions is that open for 100 hours dispense methadone and have a needle exchange, this is a key area of concern for local residents

Patsy Warby will inform the meeting of the Planning Process. Colin Taylor is secretary of the Bury Society and a former Independent Pharmacist and he will provide us with “what it all means”. Chip Somers from Focus 12 is present as is Nicholas Cooper from Croasdales.

Patsy Warby advised that at the Planning Meeting held today, 1^st November 2012 the item was deferred until the 6^th December 2012 (at West Suffolk House) in order to allow the consultation period to finish on the 5^th November 2012. Patsy Warby wanted the opportunity to clarify a few points that have been detailed in literature. To date she had received 45 emails only 2 of which were in support of the proposal. Patsy Warby advised that she has to listen to both sides in the discussion before she makes her mind up.

 

Patsy Warby encouraged all to take the time to have their say. If people wanted to speak at the next meeting they would need to make it known prior to the meeting. One attendee informed the meeting that she had written a letter and this had not yet appeared on the website which was of concerns. Patsy Warby advised that she has spoken with the Borough about this issue before and has pointed out to them that not everybody has access to the internet. Doug Conran had also sent in an email that had not appeared on the site, he had now sent a subsequent email that had been published on the site

 

Tim advised that he was happy for emails to be routed through him and he would ensure they were forwarded to Patsy Warby and to David Gibson as he is the officer at St Edmundsbury Borough Council.

Doug Conran advised that he had attended the meeting today but had not been allowed to speak. Patsy Warby advised that this was because the item was deferred until after the consultation was finished.

 

Speakers are limited to one on each side so Patsy advised that one person is elected to speak on behalf of residents to put forward their objections.

Peter Gaskin queried whether if two people had letters sent in and they had not been acknowledged does this not raise concern. Patsy Warby advised that it could just be a delay in them being uploaded.

THE PROPOSAL –

Colin Taylor introduced himself and advised that he is not personally affected by the plan; he had recently retired as an independent pharmacist in Stoke Park in Ipswich which he ran with his wife, for 25 years, so he had a full understanding of the requirements. It was his opinion that Independent Pharmacists had been “screwed” by the current and previous government and he has seen the income of the Independent Pharmacist squirreled away for use and the greater benefit of other medical practitioners.

Colin explained that there are two types of GP. The individually salaried GP in the surgery, a hard working professional who draws a wage. Then there are the partner GP’s who own the surgery who have very recently had a very nice contract awarded to them that allows 9-5 working with no weekends. These GP’s have sensed the possibilities to make more money if they operate a pharmacy. This would not have been possible 10 years ago as they were not allowed to open a dispensary 10 on a Sunday. They operated with 3 pharmacists to make it work. The school of thought at this time being that with the pharmacies in Asda it would be beneficial to urban areas rather than people having to park in town centres. At this time independent pharmacies offered free collect and deliver service in order to fight back. The Government said there would be up to 50 100 pharmacies in England, Scotland and Wales. This figure now sits at almost 600.

GP’s have worked out that by having pharmacies at their surgery whilst making it more convenient for patients it also means they make more profit.

Can we stop 100 hour pharmacies?

Colin advised that legislation changed on the 1^st September 2012 and the question of desirability and need are not considered. The PCT will give the pharmacy a 100 hour licence so it is just planning permission that is required for change of use of building. Colin was aware that on the current site there was a 24 hour Doctor on Call Service so traffic flowed in and out for 24 hours.

The Pharmacy will have a Sharps Bin, which is a yellow bucket with a sealed lid that medical staff have to put used needles into. All pharmacies in the High Street have a Sharps Bin. Pharmacists work with syringes and needles, people regularly take drugs every day and professionals have a duty of care to take them back as we would not want them laying in our paths, they are then collected and incinerated. Every pharmacy has a number of people who regularly take drugs, these may be for blood pressure, arthritis, drug addiction where they are on a programme to come off over a time period. Colin felt that people will see and pass these people in the street and they will only know if they stand outside pharmacies who the addicts are. Addicts come into pharmacies and are administered drugs, some are allowed and trusted to take them away other come in and take their drug each day observed by the pharmacist. This happens day in day out. There are drug addicts in Bury St Edmunds, we have not greater and no less than any other market town.

In Bury St Edmunds were are lucky to have two specialist organisations who take more serious problematic people and treat them and bring them forward they are to be applauded for the work they do with limited funding.

Tim advised that he had invited Dr Dunne to the Open Meeting but that he had declined the request. Tim said he understood the concerns from the drug side and commercially it was a shame that as a result of the pharmacy it is likely to see the independent firms in town that we know and love struggle and that is a shame.

The way forward is to rationale how to object within the remit of the planning authorities allowed objections. From Colin’s analysis the drug side is not as issue and from a commercial perspective restriction of trade is also not a grounds to object.

Tim opened the discussion to the Meeting.

David Nettleton informed the meeting that he was registered at Mount Farm Surgery and his GP was not unscrupulous. He chooses to collect his prescriptions from Boots. He had been pleased when Tesco were allowed a pharmacy as he believes in customer choice. He is not involved in the Swan Surgery application but felt that Colin had provided a fair analysis, apart from his remark about GP’s!

He suggested that if people wanted to object that they first read David Gibson’s report SE121100 and look on the website. Mr Gibson is recommending approval. With regard to the items missing from the website, he advised that this does happen and he was able to give an example where it had happened internally at the Council. He advised that the list of objections is summarised. He had looked on the site and noted that there was also some support to the application. He further advised that at the meeting on the 6^th December the objector will be allowed to speak for 3 minutes only and best practice is for one person to speak. He felt that Mrs Warby had been right to defer. Mr Popham is also scheduled to speak on the 6^th December. He had no objects to the application.

Trevor Beckwith advised that he is also on the Planning Committee. He was part of the Mount Farm opposition and they were successful in their opposing however the Planning Inspector overturned the decision. The opposition was based on the impact on the shopping centre – Planning Policy. John Popham was also involved and Trevor felt he was a good person to have speaking at the meeting on the 6^th December.

Trevor advised that the Swan Surgery site is located within a housing settlement on the boundary of Bury St Edmunds and not a shopping centre. Site located within housing settlement boundary of Bury St Edmunds, outside of shopping centre. Trevor advised that it could be viable to argue of the impact on the town centre. Trevor further advised that one of the requirements of a 100 hour surgery is needle exchange and Swan Surgery have put in black and white that they do not propose to have one. Colin Taylor advised that the PCT would not refuse the contract on that basis and that they will still have Sharps Bins.

David Cole who lives at Skylarks on the business park had a copy of Swan Surgery application which detailed the service they are expected to offer and needle exchange was on it despite them saying they have no current plan, he questioned how long was current, until the ink dried on the approval until someone from the PCT reminded them of their obligation. He felt the whole thing was “shoddy”.

Tim reiterated that it was necessary, in order to achieve something, to keep things where we can practically object on the right grounds.

David Cole said it was a question of, is there planning around town centre policies, if footfall affected by removing the need to go into town that customer however limited, death by 1000 jabs!! One issue on its own it little but add the issues together and they become significant, added together suddenly the independent chemist closes the next shop has slow trade leading to a progressive lack of commercial shopping choice in the town Centre. Bid4bury ensure that many premises are available in town centre and they can be there for businesses at all times

Tim advised previously when the Borough Council objected and it being overturned by Planning, he understood that there had been recent cases in Swindon and Haringey where the Planning Inspector had supported the rejection. Tim felt it would be interesting to establish what grounds the planning inspector had upheld on. Trevor pointed out that it was the Development and Control Committee who had opposed not the Planning Officers.

Doug advised that his understanding from the presentation put forward today by the Planning presentation was that the reason for the overturn was one of competition with Croasdales and this was not a valid reason to overturn the refusal. He questioned if it would be possible to object on the basis of increased perception of crime if not actual through introduction of services to drug users. Tim felt the keyword was perception. Doug was also concerned for elderly residents nearby.

David Nettleton did not like the reference to elderly people.

In 2009 application there were no objections to it, same 2012 applications until Douglas Cooper sent round his letter saying were we aware of 100 hour service, no one was aware of the implications,

Hazel Jackman advised that she runs the Dance School on the site and worried for the children if there is a needle exchange. She had been reassured by Mr Taylors presentation, however, having said that they had have had an incident outside their premises whereby 2 drug users came across from doctors sat on the wall and scared the girls so to say it is never going to happen it has happened and this was real worry to her.

Margaret Chalkley advised that there had also been an incident in Northgate Street where a house was set on fire by a drug addict, the fire brigade and police were involved and it had not been nice seeing a neighbour’s house on fire.

Chip Somers from Focus12 thanked Tim for letting him speak. He said that it was disingenuous of Swan Surgery to say that they had no intention of providing needle exchange as it is clear they do intend and supervised consumption

He wondered if this could be a cause for the application be rejected as they have denied the needle exchange.

The provision of supervised consumption and needle exchange will mean there is an increase in the numbers of people wanting the service, not a stampede but there will be an increase particularly late into the evening.

Chip said the he was concerned about who cares and treats addicts. The best care and treatment given in this neighbourhood is by the independent chemist who provide one on one treatment and are respectful and decent. Locum’s would never develop a relationship with addicts as easily. Addicts are easily manipulated and treated badly, they receive a better service when they are known and good relationship has been developed. Better interaction gives them a better opportunity to help and treat them He did not believe that Swan Surgery would provide as a good a service.

A discussion took place on the grounds to object.

David Cole said that Hazel Jackman and his family live on the development and their residential amenities are jeopardised. Dance school pupils and parents will be vulnerable. Both the Dance School and Hazel’s home are across the car park. He has a covered porch and it is the nearest shelter to the surgery and he was concerned addicts, their friends or pushers would hang round their and this could lead to an increase in incidents and the properties be affected. How much wider does it need to go than residential properties being impacted.

He went on to say that the Business Park is also a private area, many of the business own or rent parking spaces and time there are already problems and patients park in spaces not allocated to the surgery. There is no additional land for further parking.

Tim summarised by saying that he would be happy to co-ordinate the putting together of people to attend on the 6^th December. Objections need to be submitted by the 5^th November 2012. Tim felt that it was sensible if Nick Cooper has Mr Pohpham talking for him to make representation and raise legal aspects and this will take the 3 minutes. Residents issues can be addressed via letters and emails.

It is the Chairman’s discretion to allow longer than 3 minutes.

Email [email protected] get list put in touch with each other.

Nick Cooper felt that a critical point had been missed. CRI are a major drug treatment agency in Looms Lane. He said that they were obsessed with putting addicts onto treatment programmes when they are not ready. Methadone is dished out when users are not committed to giving up, therefore the methadone finds its way back onto the streets. CRI want to give the widest opportunity for users to pick up methadone and Croasdales do not operate on Sundays CRI want to secure a place for addicts to go.

 

ANY OTHER BUSINESS

Barwell Road open spaces adoption – Patsy Warby advised that this issue had not progressed, she will keep in contact with the County Council.

103 Northgate Street – David Nettleton advised that the property is still unoccupied despite the condition being that it be occupied by 31^st October 2012. He would pursue this.

Mark Jennings Lane – the disabled bay is progressing and is in use.

A14 flyover –work has been carried out

Sir Reginald Harland encouraged everyone to go to the Atheneum to view the list of achievements of Bury in Bloom.

Car Parking Charges David Nettleton advised on the proposed increased from 08.04.13 and encouraged residents to purchase season tickets at £1.07 a day.

Mustow Street Crossing – the work has been delayed to 12^th November due to belisha beacons being out of stock. The electrical work will not be undertaken until after the Christmas fayre.

11 Northgate Street – Sue Tamlyn advised that the property is owned by the Genesis Charity, the property has been empty for 2 years and on the market for 9 months. It is in a derelict condition.

 

Baptist Church Garland Street 7pm Start

“Going for gold!” - Julia Rackowe

Julia is the driving force behind Bury in Bloom.
Despite what most people think, Bury in Bloom is not part of the council;
it is a community initiative, run by the Bury Society. Julia will tell us how harnessing the community spirit in Eastgate Ward has helped Bury St Edmunds win a Gold in this year’s Anglia in Bloom competition. She will also talk about how setting up an “It’s Your Neighbourhood” group can improve your local environment.

Your chance to raise issues that affect you……..
Close Meeting

Open Meeting 1st November 2012 download leaflet

Thank you to everyone who attended this open meeting please click the link to download the meeting minutes. Chairman Report 2012 Minutes

Baptist Church Garland Street 7pm Start

What can we do with the Eastgate Weir?

Guest Speaker Dr Geoff Brighty - Area Manager-Environmental Agency…….

Dr Geoff Brighty has kindly agreed to address this meeting as a follow up to his much applauded presentation last May. Geoff will hopefully be able to explain what the EA propose to do to provide a long-term solution to the ’smell’ we encountered at the weir in the summer of 2008. The EWCA, its Councillors’ & St Edmundsbury BC Officers have met with the EA since last May, when this action for the AGM was agreed. I think it is fair to say the subject is proving more complex than originally envisaged! You will also note a ‘river pollution’ leaflet along with the EWCAFlyer which we would like to bring to your attention. If you have question or quires on this issue Dr Brighty will do histmost to answer these on the night.

• Chairman’s report
• Treasurers Report
• Web Site update
• Election of Officers
• Any Other Business

Your chance to raise issues that affect you……..
Close Meeting

Flyer - OM May 2012